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General you is hard to pick out.
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If one were to say "full body possession is the new switching" they're 1000000% goal post shifting
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Don't even know what that means, considering the changing of definitions is the topic here..
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It's true. I've effectively traded places with my host. But not switched somehow.
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problem is that nobody says that, new users come in and just aren't introduced to the concept of switching and full body posession
11:52 AM
they are introduced, instead, to posession and switching
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It is the kids who are wrong, reguile
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with the old definition of switching not ever really being introduced
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People try to convince me that I am switched and just don't know it, because I full body possess...
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I am full body possessing (or maybe just using hands on an otherwise stationary body?) but I don't feel like my host is any less here or out than he normally is.. He's just not the one shouting in mindvoice or violently typing away
11:53 AM
:3
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Hey, you could reintroduce the concept
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give it a flashy new name
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and make it out to be a super elite tough thing to do
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call it
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super duper switching
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and then you can say you're a super duper switcher
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Possession should be, the tulpa controlling a part or parts of the body while the host remains in whatever state you consider them to still be "fronting" in. Expanding the reach of the possession to the entire body is then "full-body possession". The difference in full-body possession and switching, then, is either "None at all" by one argument as was proposed during this conversation, or a certain mental position the tulpa must be in in place of the host - optionally exclusively requiring the host to dissociate, although by recent years on tulpa.info's standards, there's a type of association the tulpa must also do aside from standard body association as done with possession.
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Powerstancing
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Well, I know you don't switch, Apollo, because you believe that tulpas need constant attention from their hosts to persist.
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Host = die
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Basically, possession to any extent is not the same as switching as recent Tulpa.info definitions would say.
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I read that from as for and was super confused for a bit there
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I don't ?
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Yeah I'm kinda pretty much cashed out on the "tulpa.info" definition here
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They need attention if they are not fronting
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And please, please, do not make up opinions for other people
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The big problem, then, is that every since 2014 we've seen people claim "Full-body possession" (and over time, simply possession) while achieving a supposedly switched-like state.
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And clearly I am fronting lmao
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I deal with that shit all the time, and it's frustrating as hell
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The line's become blurred.
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I'm sad I didn't pay attention to the forums to tell people they have been wrong about switching
11:54 AM
That's my b
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Some did, I guess?
11:55 AM
Mostly the GAT. Mostly Sands.
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Maya, the forms aren't the cultural center
11:55 AM
you gotta deal with reddit (edited)
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I know lol
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have fun!
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you guys know I'm a mod on the reddit discord now right
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And the only thing they said consistently, was that a host wasn't switched if they weren't dissociated into the wonderland. The opposition simply claimed the wonderland was irrelevant.
11:55 AM
If you think the definition is otherwise, you were never the majority.
11:56 AM
As far as I'm concerned, Sands is as old as "consensus" on Tulpamancy gets.
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I can bend on "host is 100% unconscious/idle/etc" compared to full wonderland disassociation
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I don't ever remember the argument being about "is in the wonderland"
11:56 AM
I always thought it was just about "is not engaged with the sensese"
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I mean, not that he was necessarily representative of a true consensus, so much as he was chosen as a Guide approver and had extensive experience with terms and methods.
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@Tulpabug "tulpas need attention to function unless they are fronting" is what I always say, you can't just ignore that last part and claim something of me that is not true
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Well, in that case you could be switching.
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Except my host is still there as ever
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But if you have strong parallel processing like we do, it becomes very very hard for him to get greyed out. I have to be in really intense emotional states to damage our parallel processing :p
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So it's not
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Because a tulpa and host cannot have swapped places if the tulpa depends on the host.
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The host must not be engaged with the senses any more than the average tulpa, else they aren't switched out. If they're still switched in and so is the tulpa, they're co-fronting, but that's very blurry territory on .info.
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co-fronting sounds like posession
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While many members claim co-fronting, it was never really generally recommended or taught.
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I don't depend on the host if I am in the forefront, but she can't go away for whatever reason
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Well, that's co-fronting by definition.
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Obvious
11:59 AM
Ly
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but, seriously, has anyone here switched by the old definition?
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Fuck my phone
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I know people who do, reg
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I mean, it's literally not switching by definition of the word "switch" lol, but you may still accomplish the same thing as switching on the tulpa's half.
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They're just not in this server :p
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We have not.
12:00 PM
Our wonderland was only created a few years after we were, so we don't naturally "reside" there, we simply become inactive.
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I don't know people who do "host fucks off to wonderland" switching but the "host fucks off to be idle"
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I will consider myself switched when my host goes inactive like us tulpas do when not fronting
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my host lost consciousness the first time I possessed.
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It was my only switching experience.
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You and your host practically made your own type of "switching"
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Other than my dream experiments.
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I pity your trying to sort out, by our definitions, what was going on.
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this is why you don't infuse your wonderland with cloroform, tb
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Best not to forget that, at any and all times, none of us are experiencing the exact same things and no matter how concise our terminology we never will.
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To be fair tewi, I think there's a ton of confabulation regarding what tulpas who are "backing" are doing. For the most part, I think tulpas are told and expected they are active in wonderland while not fronting, but they're often going idle and memory fabrication occurs based on their ambiguity during that time and the expectation from the host
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Many experiences can be grouped under terms, but some cannot, and an infinite many more are blurry.
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I've never heard the term backing before.
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Aside from one use of it from you earlier.
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@Maya I agree entirely
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Backing is a relative term.
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Compare to fronting.
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Fronting is "in-memory", actively doing, thinking, etc in the same mental space as the host.
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If you haven't been on .info recently, then for reference, the idea that tulpas must be active in the wonderland when otherwise inactive has really, really died down in recent years.
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Inside is the more common term for backing.
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It's now more something people claim to be the case than something people assume is the case.
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That's good, it's a bullshit idea to pass around for my aforementioned reasons lol
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I kinda wondered. People talked about wonderland activity, but it sort of vanishes when I talk to people.
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Indigo made us stop believing wonderlands lol
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I trained for years to do parallel processing and I can only fuck off to wonderland for like 3 minutes before the lack of physical stimulus or host thoughts calling out to me before I lose myself :p
12:05 PM
No way can a group of underdeveloped tulpas run a full-scale city simulation while their host is at work lol
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Well, there are a few.
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Just imagine, hundreds of tulpas and NPCs interacting in a paracosm.
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On special occasions, they can redecorate the entire wonderland while you are at work.
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That is a great case of humans being unreliable narrators, tulpa
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For the most recent discussion on parallel processing's involvement in remaining active in the wonderland, see this thread: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-wonderland-staying-active-in-wonderland
Hello, this has been on our mind a bit. It's fairly common for hosts to claim that their tulpas can stay active in the wonderland even when they're not being paid attention to, and some even say that
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It takes .00000000001 seconds to change a wonderland
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